A photo exhibition “Icelandic Terrorists” was opened on Sunday 26th October in Smaralind, the biggest shopping centre in Iceland.
The exhibition consists of 79 photos in all of 98 alleged Icelandic “Terrorists” photographed by Thorkell Thorkelsson.
The purpose of the project is to show in a humours way the ridiculous nature of the act of the British Government of using the anti terrorism law against the people of Iceland. But by doing so the British Government has caused the Icelandic nation and the image of Iceland grave damage.
In addition to condemning the act of the British Government toward the Icelandic people, the project meant to give people a chance to release their anger in a positive way and at the same time help make something creative.
See the photos online at www.thorkell.com.
“However when this comment was made about Iceland, Gordon Brown Prime Minister Tony Blair was encouraging Councils throughout the United Kingdom to invest Millions of TAX PAYERS MONEY in Icelandic banks for big interest pay outs.”
I stopped reading there. Learn from Goebbels, when you lie,lie big. Tony Blair didn’t ‘encourage’ councils in England to send their money to Iceland, he kidnapped the councillor’s families and black mailed them to invest in Iceland. This was all part of his plot with the Lizard Men to undermine the SNP (Scottish Nutters Party) who are battling to save the Universe from the Jewish London bankers and their Lizard Men masters.
What did the UK Councils do with the interest on the money they secretly investing in offshore Icelandic banks ???
The English Government headed by Gordon Brown have been quick to denounce Alex Salmonds’ 2005 comment about the Arc of Prosperity, relative to the Iceland Banks against the SNP.
However when this comment was made about Iceland, Gordon Brown Prime Minister Tony Blair was encouraging Councils throughout the United Kingdom to invest Millions of TAX PAYERS MONEY in Icelandic banks for big interest pay outs.
Money that until the collapse of these banks was probably being used for under the table bonuses.
If you think it is a disgrace that the Westminster Government has used anti terrorist laws against peaceful Icelanders. Look at what they have done to the Scot’s in recent years, and their only curse was striking oil in 1974.
In 1999 Westminster secretly moved Scotland’s marine borders from Brwick-upon-tweed to Carnoustie
In the 1979 devolution referendum 52% of Scot’s said YES, Labour said NO !!
Westminster is unfairly charging Scotland for supplying green energy
Scotland is given less than documented 2006 + our funds are being raided
Westminster has made Scotland a nuclear dustbin for any Countries waste
Secret plans to dump 2012 London Olympic radioactive waste in Scotland
http://www.oilofscotland.org
Blah blah William.
Point by point:
1. The treasury website was not set up to differentiate. As soon as they realised there was a problem, they changed it. However, I’m pretty sure that the Zimbabwe sanctions aren’t terrorist related, which shoots down the theory that the list is some central list of terrorist regimes. It’s not – as it says, it’s a list of regimes that have had financial sanctions placed against them.
2. As I understand it, the Icelandic government was mentioned as they were the ones running Landisbanki.
3. I can’t comment on your personal information, or your understanding of it.
4. Losing the will to live here :) . Seriously, if all you can do is inject “maliciously and falsely” into everything . . .
Next time, keep it short otherwise my limited attention span will fail again. BTW, I’m not so fazed that I haven’t noticed that you still haven’t answered the very basic and simple questions I’ve asked you about (a) the transcript and (b) that Times article. Don’t they fit with how you perceive the world?
I wrote:
FACT: Until the ‘Icelanders are NOT Terrorists’ campaign began, Landsbanki and by association Iceland joined the list of regimes subject to financial sanction by the British government being placed on the same list as Al-Qaida, the Taliban, Belarus, Iran, and North Korea amongst others.
EVIDENCE: http://www.indefence.is/News/News/~/NewsId/13
On Oct 29, 2008, Bromley86 wrote:
>If you’re going to put things forward as facts William, then it’s best to not tag on extra bits.
>If Landisbanki was on that list, maintained by the Treasury and not the Home or Foreign
>Offices you’ll note, then that is a fact. What is not a fact is the “by association” comment that you make.
I don’t really understand your point, as the HM Treasury freezing order made under the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 stated:
“3.—(1) The following are specified persons for the purposes of this Order—
(a) Landsbanki;
(b) the Authorities; and
(c) the Government of Iceland.”
As “the Authorities; and the Government of Iceland” were specifically mentioned in the freezing order, perhaps it is reasonable to assume that Iceland itself was presumed to be the regime under sanction? And thus all of its financial institutions. Certainly we can assume that after seeing Landsbanki on the list, the AML/CTF Compliance Officers of UK and foreign banks would at least skim read the order itself, and discover the list of specified persons. Oh dear.
I had to talk to at least two banks, one in the UK, and one in Asia regarding transfers to and from Iceland post publication of the freezing order, and they were *not* sending money into Iceland at all because of the freezing order.
I can’t stress enough how debilitating the order’s publication was to the Icelandic financial system, let alone the actual seizure of Landsbanki’s assets (and of course those of Landsbanki Guernsey Limited) which was the primary intent of the order.
(In my FACT: snippet above a reader can treat ‘Iceland’ as being synonymous with the ‘Authorities; and the Government of Iceland’, which is how bank AML/CTF Compliance Officers interpreted the matter upon reading the freezing order. i.e. that Iceland itself was the regime under sanction. And thus all of its financial institutions. And Icelandic companies*.
Really my statement “and by association Iceland” was actually too weak an expression of the situation but the aim was brevity without sacrificing accuracy.
I wrote about the law in some depth here:
https://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/10/25/non-terrorist-website-launched-for-non-terrorists/#comment-32061 )
*Mr Gordon ‘arc of insolvency’ Brown made things even worse for Icelandic financial institutions and companies by maliciously and falsely stating to the world on the day the order was issued that:
“We are freezing the assets of Icelandic companies in the UK where we can. We will take further action against the Icelandic authorities where necessary to recover the money.”
The AML/CTF Compliance Officers of banks and other institutions had the *Prime Minister* of the United Kingdom’s own words to clarify for them what the freezing order meant. Even if some did not read that, you can be sure that the word soon got around.
Bromley, why if it was clear that only Landsbanki was effected, did HM Treasury after pressure by bankers worldwide (and of course Geir Haarde and colleagues) on 17th October have to release a detailed 44 point, five page official follow-up notice ‘clarifying’ such basic points as:
“…The Order is specific to Landsbanki and does not freeze the funds of any other Icelandic banks. It does not affect Icelandic companies with no links to Landsbanki.
… This Order works in a different way to, and has a more limited effect than, financial sanctions regimes, because the prohibition on making funds available only applies to “frozen funds” (as defined in paragraph 5 above) rather than all funds. This ensures that the Order only relates to the movement of Landsbanki assets (including debts owed to Landsbanki).
… As the Order does not relate to funds other than frozen funds (i.e. Landsbanki funds), it does not restrict normal commercial transactions between the UK and Iceland, other than those involving such frozen funds.
… Under the Order, the Authorities and the Government of Iceland are included as “specified persons” for the purpose of the prohibitions. The effect of this is not to freeze Icelandic Government assets in the UK or to prevent all payments from the UK to the Icelandic Authorities.”
Why if everything was fine and dandy, were these ‘clarifications’ necessary? I think the reason is pretty damn obvious. It was because the government of Iceland, and the Icelandic financial system, including its banks, and Icelandic companies were interpreted in the world of finance to have been included.
So where exactly did I put things forward as facts that aren’t?
It is not a stretch to conclude that Brown in particular’s words and deeds on the 8th October became a form of psychological warfare and systematic coercion that created fear and terror in the minds of the employees of financial institutions worldwide intending to transaction business with the government, companies and people of the Republic of Iceland.
In short, Gordon Brown, not Iceland, acted like a terrorist.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2008/10/24/gordon_brown_not_iceland_acted_like_a_terrorist
Whatever Mister Axel.
I left Iceland just before the summer. Sorry for misunderstanding of time. With the life I am having, it seems long time ago. Any way, it was time for me to use my money where is better used and away of the financial drunkenness. And I end up to be right or lucky!
Don’t get me wrong, I might be in risk also, but at least in Europe they pursue financial CRIMINALS and POLITICIANS get what they deserve in elections.
Perhaps you should meet other people than east Europe and Africa where their financial system is far to BE clear. I just feel sorry of the rest of immigrants in Iceland not able to go away because they don’t have A CHOICE. Most part of them got stocked in the spiral of debts and has 40 years to pay back. Not talking about refugees which has no else to go and today’s can’t even send money to their families back home.
A lot of Polish citizens already left Iceland. Like your reaction, immigrants diffidently don’t want to stay in a country which they are not welcome and salaries are now equivalent to undeveloped countries. You should know as well as me, you don’t survive in Reykjavik if you don’t earn 200.000 net. I know a lot of immigrants being proposed minimum salaries. That’s less than a kid without qualifications.
A lot of westernized countries try to give respect to immigrants once they were need to develop their country or building them back. Like France or UK, immigrants are helped socially and financially once you are “not need”. Iceland has a long way to go…
In opposite of some big fishes living in Iceland, I didn’t run to the Caribbean neither to NY to protect my self.
From the financial and political climate we were feeling in Iceland it was obvious these crises will happen. Every hot places bank employees new that, except, supposedly POLITICIANS and the POWER OF VOTE!
Please again, WAKE UP. Please stop BLAMING others and letting the work being done by your friends from neighbors countries. Even your so called “present enemy”, UK will be helping to secure Iceland bank debts.
to ansver orchafine
im not a racist, far from it
i know lots of people who have moved here from places like Africa, Russia and Romania
all of them refer to themselfes as Icelanders
speak excelent Icelandic and are not about to run away even if times are tough,
we will rebuild this country and have no use for negative people,
you say you lived in Iceland for the last 7 years
then you say you moved away a long time ago ?
but anyway,
best of luck to you to.
On Oct 30, 2008, William Watson said:
>On Oct 29, 2008, Scottish Icesaver said:
>
>Over time we’ll find out the truth of this sorry situation but until then time >for both sides to stop being so judgemental.
Yes, and that truth will inevitably lead to Alistair Darling’s resignation. With facts in hand, then judgements can be made. I think there are plenty of facts posted here in the comments sections at IceNews, mixed in along with the chaff.
William, please take your agenda away from this discussion. I’m not sure you’re correct in your conclusion about Darling. remember the chronology.
1. Haarde et al nationalised Landsbanki hf
2. Haarde et al decided that customers of Landsbanki hf with addresses outside Iceland would no longer be able to access their funds i.e. our assets were frozen.
3. Haarde et al were if I am generous equivocal and evasive about Icelands intentions to honour the National guarantee to Landsbanki hf customers outside Iceland.
4. Darling froze the Landbanki hf’s assets in the UK.
We’ve heard plenty from Haarde and his chronies in the press about how hard done by they feel but precious little about what they will actually do to start the unblocking of assets on both sides.
Mary you are ofcourse absolutely right, this is absolutely no time to throw stones. Instead of throwing stones and talking gloom, we should get on with life as fast as possible, and try to avoid a global recession. In a years time when all facts have materialized and put on the table it would be unforgiveable if we didn’t demand responsibility.
As for gordon brown seizing funds, I mean did it really matter? My thesis is that no bank can survive a bank run.
Imagine if gordon brown didn’t seize the funds: Then Kaupting would have been solvent, a couple of hours longer. The bank run was already in full swing, once the bank run takes effect all assets(cash) they had would be gone. And we would draw the same conclusion as in the first scenario.
By the way selling Sandwiches seems like honest decent work compared to working in a bank.
In the beginning of the crisis I heard an interessting discussion on BBC4(radio), some experts were discussing the root of evil in this crisis, and the future. And in the future we will start to save up money and then buy our luxury items of desire, in a way much like our grand parents did. The current system where re-mortgaging your house and then take out some fictive/speculative profit simply will not work in the long run, because one day your house will have more loans than it is worth.
I hope we can move on, people in the UK won’t think that Icelanders stole their money, and the Icelanders doesn’t think Gordon Brown was cause and effect in the failing of their banking system.
Icelandic banking was simply collateral damage in a world-wide financial crisis, nothing more nothing less.
PS: I do go to the UK to visit friends every now and then, which is lovely.
Hey Great Dane – no, i really meant it when i said i thought your pennies comment was hilarious! It just cracked me up – i didn’t think you were being nasty or anything, it was just very, very funny!! And anyway, what’s wrong with selling sandwiches for a living? I did it for years and you might be surprised at how lucrative it can be!
As to why British people have been feeling aggressive, I suspect it’s because there’s nothing like thinking you are going to lose your life savings (through no fault of your own – let’s remember these were tame savings accounts, not stocks and shares, so supposedly very safe – short of putting it under a mattress, where else are people supposed to put their money?) to make someone angry.
Of course, to direct this anger towards individuals is wrong and anyone who has threatened violence/war/sinking etc should be ashamed of themselves. I would add that someone called Gunar (doesn’t sound very British to me)did make a post on this forum a few days ago saying ‘this is war’ so the idea that Icelanders are above all that is not strictly true. I’ve also seen some pretty unpleasant comments towards Brits on several other sites from Icelanders. All any of this does is wind each other up. Really we should all be directing the anger towards the incompetent idiots running both the Icelandic and British governments, neither of whom have exactly covered themselves in glory with their handling of this crisis. Let’s just hope that we, the pawns in all this, eventually get through this horrible global financial crisis with our lives and livelihoods relatively intact. Life is too short for personal feuds.
Frankly, I’m sick of this self-indulgent nonsense.
I had every sympathy with the average Icelander, but I’m fast approaching the point where I couldn’t care if it sank into the Atlantic wholesale, which is a real shame. I certainly won’t be visiting with my foreign currency any time soon, and that goes for everyone I know. Even if the rate is £1/3000 ISK.
Apart from the odd eccentric, the rest of the western world sees it exactly for what it is.
Stop “kicking the dog” to asuage your frustration before you loose whatever sympathy remains.
Just seen it William and answered. BTW, I forget, but which Disinformation Rules covers accusing someone of attacking the messenger and then attacking the messenger :D .
Without knowing your motives, it’s quite apparent that you don’t like Brown and Darling. As I’ve mentioned before, it does seem to colour your judgement. Does this article in the Times make you question some of your conclusions?
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5042460.ece
I will be interested to see what happens to those deposits from the IoM company with the UK one. From that balance sheet appended to one of Doherty’s affidavit it looked to me like if they can get that back everyone’s half way to getting their deposits back. Anyone have a link to an statement from the PwC chap about them?
You know Mary the tubes in London are full of unfortunate souls of all colours.
And the joke wasn’t really about them, it was meant for some bloke that insinuated that I wasted to years of my life in London selling sandwiches.
Those 2 posts you picked are only responses to personal attacks by a previous poster.
Though not an aggressive person I do have a tendency to defend myself when attacked.
I am sure the absolute majority of brits are wonderfull people, I can say that I never met a Brit I disliked.
But still I received no answer to my initial question:
Why have there been so many threats from the UK camp towards the Icelandic camp? Whereas as the Icelandic camp have refrained from such all together? What is your oppinion Mary?
Erm..Great Dane, while I am still laughing even now when I think about your hilarious comment on one of these posts a few day ago about ‘dropping a few pennies’ in someone’s hat every time you came out of the station, I think you might find that some people would find a few of your earlier comments on this forum really quite racist…
E.g:
“You know Fishy this is how people from London are like, they love to threaten people. Usually with violence”
“You see it is very important for english selfunderstanding to bully people, especially if it is somebody smaller than themselves, and they do it as much as they can get away with. Here in this forum where everything goes it is a free for all for them.
Where do all this hatred come from in England, I really don’t know but it is very disturbing to witness first hand every time you go out in the evening for a drink”
“I am the dog that will bite every Brits ass that gets too close :) And therein lies the problem, Brits are all ass!! got no idea where to start biting!”
Well Great Dane, while I, as a Brit, do admit to having a fairly large ass, I have never threatened anyone with violence, or felt it important for my self-understanding to bully someone smaller than myself, as I’m sure is the case with most ordinary British people. So, please don’t tarnish our entire nation with the same brush.
>On Oct 30, 2008, Peter – London said:
>
>You have certainly changed my attitude about the Danish, I didn’t realise how
>ignorant, arrogant, jealous and spitefully your people could be. In fact you
>suffer many of the failings of the British you despise so much. But then again
>your title, ‘GreatDane’, explains a lot, your nations lack of achievements i
>probably at the root of your problems – Jealousy.
Disinformation rule 5: Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule:
“This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach.
…
This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.”
Peter – London dislikes these inconvenient things called facts, and really doesn’t like it when people post facts, and really wants instead to try and distract everyone from the issues that he finds inconvenient. His desperate posts at FT.com are just as bad.
For example facts like the letter that was sent to HM Treasury, and the conversation between Darling and Árni Mathisen, which shows that Darling lied when talking to the world through the BBC radio and GMTV interviews he gave on October 8th:
“The Icelandic government, believe it or not, have told me yesterday they have no intention of honoring their obligations here.”
This he used to justify the Landsbanki asset freeze under the above mentioned anti-terrorism act, the order forcing Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander into administration under the ‘Northern Rock Act’ (after the ‘transfer*’ of its assets to ING), and the end of Kaupthing.
*theft might be a more accurate description given the circumstances. It most certainly applies to the approx 550 million pounds of Isle of Man deposits held by Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander in London on behalf of Kaupthing, Singer and Friedlander (IOM) Ltd that were taken under Darling and Brown’s orders on October 8.
P.S. ‘The Northern Rock Act 2008’ is the colloquial name of the Banking (Special Provisions) Act 2008.
Which reminds me. Bromley86, sir. Are you going to address the issues here?
https://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/10/25/non-terrorist-website-launched-for-non-terrorists/#comment-32317
orchafine: Who on this site came with racist remarks? The debate here is open hearted and tense, but never racist!
orchafine:
Please feel free to elaborate.
Ok, I am way of those debates.
There are some individuals here who show a great deal of ignorance.
I prefer to say facts to people who have the delicacy to understand and being open.
And yes, I do not waste my time with racists and so this site shouldn’t be!
Good luck.
# Axel
I can feel the racism that represents your nation forward foreigners and immigrants.
Don’t worry me being in Iceland I moved away long time ago, time enough to save most part of my money. Shame I have still business going on in Iceland and my taxes and money going to feed people like you and worse, criminal politicians protected behind a corrupt Icelandic system.
Like I said before, perhaps I can teach a bit of real life and real economy. I probably can explain you a bit of things going on in your system. Some thing I will never teach you is how to be humble and thankful with the help you are getting.
WAKE MY FRIEND AND FELLOWS ICELANDERS!
It is undeniable that things have got quite heated on this forum but before you blame all Dave’s (yes there are mutiple posters using the name Dave – and I for one have not suggested invading you) perhaps rather than a pathetic slagging match which quite frankly is getting no-one anywhere (other than winding everyone up) we should work together to bring to task the real culprits? Now that would be a novel idea!
The issue that sparked this (the freezing of ICESAVE accounts) is now well down the road of being resolved and whilst I appreciate there are a number of periphery issues and lost money to resolve – would it not be better to influence the situation to ensure this never happens again?
We could spend forever agruing about interpretation of words and blaming the UK government who could have possibly dealt with it better – though in reality I am not sure how as my experience to date has been that people in Iceland seem to want to blame everyone but their government, bankers and regulatory.
We all (with the possible exception of William) have the same agenda so why not work together to find out what really happened ?
An English forum means that only people who understand English will frequent it.
Simple statistics really.
There are people in most of northern europe that lost money in this collapse, but why is it only people from england that have to threaten with violence?
when “Dave” threatened to invade iceland that does sound pretty violent to me. What is your oppinon on this?
@Peter – London
Can you deny the facts? english people have been issueing countless “threats” on this website?
Where as England have not been threatened a single time. How do you plead confronted with this fact?
Oh yeah, living in London 2 years most certainly changed my opinion on England too, as you see not for the better :)
GreatDane
You have certainly changed my attitude about the Danish, I didn’t realise how ignorant, arrogant, jealous and spitefully your people could be. In fact you suffer many of the failings of the British you despise so much. But then again your title, ‘GreatDane’, explains a lot, your nations lack of achievements is probably at the root of your problems – Jealousy.
@R, she was adek I didn’t know she was from Prague, Streangely her husband the king is forgotten, but she is revered. She must have been a very special person to outshine the king.
Terry: ” – but as with Iclanders -your neighbours will pay!”
Could you please elaborate on that, are you saying that England is extracting huge sums of money out of Scotland, to finance English over-consumption?
Besides if you look at Scotland historically and how the English treated them, I mean can you really blame them for wanting to leave?
I find this moronic. The law was used to freeze assets. Whether that was wise or not is a separate issue. If the law was called the “bannana-land bill” would you be whining that England brandished Iceland a bannana-land?
The more important issue is how and why Iceland allowed it banks to borrow an amount of debt 5x times GDP. You bet your entire town (opps, country)…
How people thought this could be “guaranteed” is another issue.
>On Oct 29, 2008, Scottish Icesaver said:
>
>Over time we’ll find out the truth of this sorry situation but until then time >for both sides to stop being so judgemental.
Yes, and that truth will inevitably lead to Alistair Darling’s resignation. With facts in hand, then judgements can be made. I think there are plenty of facts posted here in the comments sections at IceNews, mixed in along with the chaff.
And also some very funny and creative stuff indeed, i.e. on Oct 21, 2008, Mark Collet wrote:
Oddssons saga
Gordon Brown, Britains jarl
loaned Oddsson little gold,
froze his ships before winter.
Next sought luck in Novgorod.
>On Oct 29, 2008, fishy said:
>
>Brown and Darling WILL bankrupt the uk soon .You better be ready for it,
>your precious pound is falling fast.
Sadly it’s true.
>On Oct 29, 2008, GreatDane said:
>
>fishy;
>You know Fishy this is how people from London are like, they love to
>threaten people. Usually with violence.
Yes, particularly a number who’s home is 1 Horse Guards Road, London.
>On Oct 29, 2008, Terry said:
>
># William Watson.
>
>Your agenda is Scots Nationalism, and as such the Scotsman Newspaper is
>the appropriate forum. Scots Nats have great policies – but as with Iclanders -your neighbours will pay!
As an Englishman, I wish the Scots the best of luck if they wish to gain their independence back. Gordon Brown of course disagrees.
There are a few here who *really* want to understand my agenda.
Nice try, but Scottish nationalism is not it.
orchafine
im guessing your from east europe, poland or estonia ?
if you hate us so much why dont you just leave ?
nobody is stopping you and no one will ask you to stay, at the moment you are surplus anyway
Ahh, come on GreatDane – I thought you’d mellowed.
Of course some people in the UK are upset (actually, those who banked outside the UK are probably more upset – IoM, Guernsey). I’m not going to go through posts to pick out Icelanders who are pissed off, but I’ve seen a fair number.
That’s a separate issue from any inability to drink sensibly.
fishy;
You know Fishy this is how people from London are like, they love to threaten people. Usually with violence.
So far on this site Iceland have been threatened with invasion.
somebody wished Iceland would sink in the mud.
Another Person from England wanted to confiscate Icelands fishing grounds.
And has anyoe issued threats towards England on this site? not that I am aware of?
You see it is very important for english selfunderstanding to bully people, especially if it is somebody smaller than themselves, and they do it as much as they can get away with. Here in this forum where everything goes it is a free for all for them.
Where do all this hatred come from in England, I really don’t know but it is very disturbing to witness first hand every time you go out in the evening for a drink.
# William Watson.
Your agenda is Scots Nationalism, and as such the Scotsman Newspaper is the appropriate forum. Scots Nats have great policies – but as with Iclanders -your neighbours will pay!
# Fishy
Thanks for the incisive and authoritative review of the UK economy. The devaluation of UK£ will increase exports. Same for Iceland – however, I suggest you keep the fish oil – good for the brain they say!
Funny, cutie, little Icelandic people…
Who is the fault? Is their some thing wrong? Did you know, you are loosing more than you… Criminals, us? Whining, whining and whining!
This is to answer to an “An ordinary working man”.
Very well said Jean-Pierre. It seems he knows what is talking about.
I have been living in Iceland those last 7 years. If you want the names of the responsible criminals, I could give it to you.
That said, will you do any thing about it?
It is a shame for such a great land having so many cowards!
I am so sick of All you British Savers judging our entire nation because of our bankers and politcians .Brown and Darling WILL bankrupt the uk soon .You better be ready for it, your precious pound is falling fast. Soon starts the mass unemployment .We in Iceland can still stand proud and united even if we are broke.Do you really think you Brits will unite the same,When your troubles really start.
On Oct 29, 2008, Peter – London wrote:
>The choice is between Terrorist, Criminal, or economic security threats. The
>UK gov used the criminal and security section.
There isn’t such a section. And you know it. (Not that this stops you from posting your falsehoods on this subject again and again.)
Floris
“British people who are whining about the money they “lost” at Icesave are pathetic, because:”
I guess my only comment is that I hope this never happens to you.
Over time we’ll find out the truth of this sorry situation but until then time for both sides to stop being so judgemental.
# GreatDane
“Radek strange affinity I have with the Czech :)”
You are having to trawl afar for for friends!
For people like Floris who think Icesavers were stupid and greedy re the high rates of interest I would suggest they investigate the meaning of an interest rate arbitrage.
Take money from an economy that has a bank base rate of approx 4.5-5% and using the money in an economy where the rate is approx 12-18+?% Share some of the upside reward in the form of higher interest and in theory everyone was a winner!
On Oct 29, 2008, Terry wrote:
>…Iceland’s conduct in reneging on banking guarantees,
>was alike the captain of a sinking ship placing the
>crew in the lifeboats and leaving the fare paying passengers to drown.
Repeating a lie again and again does not make it true, and certainly not a lie as big as this.
I can understand that when the lie comes from the mouth of a government minister and the Prime Minister (yes I mean Darling and Brown) then people are going to believe it – at least for a while.
The Icelandic government has never wavered from the stance that it will pay its part – the EUR 20,887 (£16,300) minimum – under EU directive 94/19/EC if things went bad.
>The UK used the law as a method of stopping the
>taking of passenger possessions.
Gordon Brown and Alistair ‘Honest’ Darling are thankfully, not ‘the UK’. They are however, sadly its ministerial representatives at the present time.
Brown took a lie by Darling (that Iceland would not honor its obligations) and opportunistically turned it into British government policy in order to gain political capital against the Scottish Labour party’s enemies in Scotland.
Specifically prior to Brown’s actions on the 8th October, the Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) was expected to win a landslide in the Scottish Glenrothes by-election coming up Nov 6th, as they did recently in Glasgow East.
The SNP currently hold a minority government in the Scottish Parliament. If Glenrothes falls to the SNP on November 6th, then Brown will fall with it.
One of the SNP’s planks for Scottish independence is joining the “arc of prosperity”, of which Iceland is a large part. Brown and his attack dogs have since Brown’s actions on the 8th, begun to attack Salmond and the SNP with vigor after having conveniently demolished Iceland’s economy. (Just Google any recent speech by them on the by-election and SNP to see how many times Brown or the others mention the ‘arc of insolvency’ and the example of Iceland.)
Brown has though his actions against Iceland shown he is a cheap opportunist without a conscience, concerned only with his own image, and attacking the Labour party’s enemies in Scotland.
Depositors in Landsbanki Guernsey and Kaupthing’s Isle of Man subsidiary and all the others hurt by this are just acceptable collateral damage to Brown.
>If anything was demonstrated, during this debacle –
>it was – that there is still a Viking tendency for
>pillaging.
Yes, Gordon Brown wears his mock-Viking helmet with pride.
Floris. Like the Icelandic government, you seem to be having trouble understanding what a government guarantee means. It means that there should be zero risk if you save with that institution (at least, as long as you stay under the limit of the guarantee).
If that guarantee was not in place then most people would not have deposited with Icesave. Likewise, those that did would have pulled out a long time ago (which is in fact the reason why governments have to guarantee deposits – to help prevent runs on banks).
If you’re going to put things forward as facts William, then it’s best to not tag on extra bits. If Landisbanki was on that list, maintained by the Treasury and not the Home or Foreign Offices you’ll note, then that is a fact. What is not a fact is the “by association” comment that you make.
The choice is between Terrorist, Criminal, or economic security threats. The UK gov used the criminal and security section.
A large amount of Islanders seem to prefer the terrorist option, If they insist on being so stupid to fall for their governments smokescreen about their victim status, I suggest they swap places with the IoM investors who have lost their entire life savings who would be overjoyed at any title as long as they got their money back.
This is in very bad taste, and please forgive me for not finding the humour. I had savings in Icesave UK, and am still waiting for the return of my money.
I hear Icelanders complain about the use of anti-terror laws used to seize assets – but this deflects from the emotion they should be experiencing – contrition. I observe a narcissistic introverted selfish nation agonise about itself – no tears for others. Much talk about the ‘Nordic Family’ and an opportunity for resurgence. This brings to mind 1930’s Arian doctrines.
Iceland’s conduct in reneging on banking guarantees, was alike the captain of a sinking ship placing the crew in the lifeboats and leaving the fare paying passengers to drown. The UK used the law as a method of stopping the taking of passenger possessions.
If anything was demonstrated, during this debacle – it was – that there is still a Viking tendency for pillaging.
British people who are whining about the money they “lost” at Icesave are pathetic, because:
1) You are stupid and greedy if you think you can just collect higher interest without consequences.
That is the basics of anything to do with investing or saving money. Higher payoffs = higher risk and vice versa.
2) The government will repay you, so you are being rewarded for being stupid. So you get high payoff with no risk at all!
You should take a good hard look at yourself. The Icelandic people are just as much a victim of some selfish,greedy people from Iceland (which you have in every country).
GreatDane – my “only” afinity to Denmark is that I am currently living there for more than one year…..and I can say it is a great country.
Også jeg elsker jeres øl.
Anyway – regarding the afinity btw. Denmark and Czech – did you hear about Dronnig Dagmar:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dronning_Dagmar
On Oct 29, 2008, Peter – London wrote:
>You missed off ‘Thieves’
>
?>That was the section of the Criminal bill used against Iceland.
My dear Peter,
Trying to troll Icelanders into an emotional reaction by calling them thieves (something they most definitely are not) is low even by your recent gutter scrapping standards.
You know full well that the bill used against Landsbanki was the UK Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001.
Specifically HM Treasury exercised the powers conferred by sections 4 and 14 of Part 2* and Schedule 3** to freeze Landsbanki’s assets in which:
“3.—(1) The following are specified persons for the purposes of this Order—
(a) Landsbanki;
?(b) the Authorities; and
?(c) the Government of Iceland.”
Any thing other bills, or acts, or plays, or what-have-you that you mention regarding Landsbanki are merely figments of your imagination.
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2001/ukpga_20010024_en_2#pt2-pb1-l1g4?
**http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2001/ukpga_20010024_en_16#sch3
I did a fairly detailed analysis for you of the serious abuse of this law by Brown and Darling just for your benefit here (but others may find it useful also) including the UK Privy Council’s analysis of it:
https://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/10/25/non-terrorist-website-launched-for-non-terrorists/#comment-32061
FACT: Until the ‘Icelanders are NOT Terrorists’ campaign began, Landsbanki and by association Iceland joined the list of regimes subject to financial sanction by the British government being placed on the same list as Al-Qaida, the Taliban, Belarus, Iran, and North Korea amongst others.
EVIDENCE: http://www.indefence.is/News/News/~/NewsId/13
Radek strange affinity I have with the Czech :)
I drink your beer, drive your cars, and when I was active in sports as younger I had a Brünner CZ 85.
amazing how much I have come across the Czech republic.
Nice way how to show Icelandic sense of humour.
According my experience Icelandic people are like their country – frost and ice on the top and inside the warmest heart from all nations. You just need to find “a way to the hot spring”.
I am sure Gordon Brown knows all this – but he probably wisely noticed: “Yes, but their volcanoes can explode….and so they can…so aren’t they terrorists, Alister? Freeze their accounts!!”
Greetings to all Icelanders from “one Czech terrorist and criminal”.
AFRAM ISLAND.
Exactly Bromley86,thats precisely the idea,
the action by the uk Gov was ridiculous and irresponsible.
Jean Pierre: a great majority of Icelanders are protesting every Saturday outside the Alþingi to demand the truth from the Ice Gov.I would like to ask,what do you mean when you say YOU are somehow responsible for all this disaster,do you mean us the ordinary working man or do you mean the government.Do you know who is responsible?
Ok our bankers and government have alot to answer for in Iceland, but the nation as a whole are innocent .Most people in Iceland are going to loose far more than just some savings.
Really ridiculous. How about the heads of the banks and the gouvernment? Instead of repeating the silly propaganda your government is implementing trying to find excuses better track down the responsible people and get rid of the politicians in charge. Self-pity, nationalism and blaming foreigners won’t help in any way now. I cannot think of any country where politicians doing such grave mistakes don’t have to step down.
A good article: “It’s Iceland’s own mess” http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/25/iceland-creditcrunch
satish:
You missed off ‘Thieves’.
That was the section of the Criminal bill used against Iceland.
Some terrorist is missing.
Web thieves.
Team skillful in misappropriation.
Terrorist headquarters-kaupthing bank.
Person skillful in cheating innocent British savers.
We are fond of Iceland and Icelandic people !
The best way for the Icelanders to make something creative is to start an introspection, away from the brain washing they are subjected to by their government. Throw away any national “pride” and start thinking whether YOU are somehow responsible for all this disaster…
Ridiculous.